19/12/2025
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Episode 16: Andrea Božić, Julia Willms and Victoria Pérez Royo
This episode is a conversation between Victoria Pérez Royo, curator of the series, choreographer and artist Andrea Božić and visual artist Julia Willms. Andrea and Julia have collaborated since 2003, making interdisciplinary works that reorganise space, attention and perception, exploring how spectatorship, imagination, and spectacle are intertwined and embodied.
Together, they explore the nature and practice of capturing and interpreting dreams. They discuss research on dreams, dream logic, and the immersive virtual environments that dreams create.
Dreaming Communities is a series of þ thorns þ, curated by Victoria Pérez Royo. The series hosts invited artists who work with ‘dreaming substance.’ Here the adjective “dreaming” does not refer solely to nighttime sleep, but serves as an umbrella term for a whole series of images that have been conceived in a fragmentary and scattered way in various disciplines and practices: memories, anticipations, daydreams and night dreams, ghosts and specters, visions, and hallucinations, among others. You can read a full text about the series, written by Victoria here:
https://rosechoreographicschool.com/publications/dreaming-communities
You can listen to this podcast wherever you usually listen to podcasts, or via this link:
https://rosechoreographicschool.com/publications/episode-sixteen-andrea-bozic-julia-willms-and-victoria-perez-royo
You will find a full transcript and list of resources mentioned on the website.